chevyman58 wrote:marteezy wrote:According to Pew Research, by nearly every measure, in every country aside from Russia, President Obama is more respected than his predecessor. The numbers don't lie. But if you rely on Fox and the Drudge Report of The Blaze for your information, then I understand your opinion. But when I look at these numbers, I see something different.
UK 53 - 76
France 42 - 83
Spain 33 - 58
Germany 31 - 73
Russia 46 - 11
Japan 50 - 66
Australia 46 - 81
China 41 - 44
Seriously? Can you NOT have ANY political discussion without pre-discrediting everyone that might challenge you by referencing FOX News????
Almost 7 years later & still using Bush as the benchmark for Obama? The Bush you hammer? High benchmark ............. sheesh.
How about a Link to the Poll? How about not GROSSLY misrepresenting the facts - then saying the numbers don't lie. Holy Cow MT .............
"every country aside from Russia" ???? "by nearly every measure" ???? Ever heard of Israel? Come on ........... "every country" .......... wow.
Bush is long gone. Thread's about Trump. But PLEASE link the Pew Poll you reference that you base your statements of facts upon.
I don't find one that definitive & specific.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ent-obama/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/glo ... s-faulted/
http://www.pewglobal.org/search/Bush+Ob ... al/page/6/
When grading a president you have to use his predecessor as the measuring stick. To compare him to himself or anyone else from the past makes no sense.
You also have to look at the situation an incoming president inherited. Therefore, you can't mention Obama's record without bringing Bush into the equation. Just like everyone that believes that Reagan was auch a great president always brings Carter into the discussion. Those principles cannot be avoided.
As for the links, thanks for finding one of the pew research links. The other was a similar link that did not show how Israel felt about Bush, that's why Israel wasn't included in my post.
That said to think that the use of diplomacy over military might makes someone a weak stick is pretty ignorant. Especially since the vast majority of Americans have not or will never serve in the military and risk their lives.
Being involved in wars and numerous military operations, I support as much diplomacy as possible. And if people are thick headed enough to feel that that makes a president or country look weak, then oh well. But we learned in the past that using military might recklessly makes us look like a bully. And we all know that no one respects a bully. And if your scared of someone you are more likely to attack what you are scared of.
Our geopolitical footing is much more secure than its been in quite awhile. While there are adversaries out there like ISIS/ISIL and numerous other terror organizations. Most of those are regional problems that pose no direct threat to us.
They do challenge some of our national interests, but not us directly. The countries that these groups terrorize should be the ones handling this situation. Lending support is one thing, but leading the charge is something that we should not do.
As we saw in Afghanistan, an asymmetric target is very dangerous and hard to fight. And ultimately the cost is not worth the effort