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The Future Of Jose Oquendo

Postby chevyman58 » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:12 pm

Big trouble for us ............... The Secret Weapon is hurt. Mo said yesterday on TV our defense suffers without him.

Oquendo could miss the season while recovering from surgery on his right knee. The team said Sunday that the 52-year-old former big league infielder was taking a medical leave of absence for rehabilitation. ''(Doctors) are just concerned that he gets out there and does what he needs to do for this job, that it would certainly lead toward a replacement, which no one likes the idea of, right?'' Cardinals manager Mike Matheny said. ''So, he's just got to take time.''

First base coach Bill Maloney handled third base coaching duties this spring while Oquendo was out and will continue to do so.

Assistant hitting coach Bill Mueller will coach first base and assume Oquendo's infield instruction duties. Mueller and bench coach David Bell will share in-game defensive player positioning duties, another of Oquendo's key roles.

Derrick May, the Cardinals' minor league hitting coordinator, will now serve as the Cardinals' assistant hitting coach.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby MadHungo » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:51 am

I couldn't agree more Chev! That game yesterday was sooooo sloppy, on the Cardinals stand point, that it looked to me that the defense (especially the IF) were so laid back. I don't know, it may just be me, but the Cards just don't seem to have "The Eye of the Tiger" coming into this season, counting ST, but hopefully they'll get things going once the season does start.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:50 am

Lame excuse if I ever heard one. They just suddenly forgot how to play defense because Oquendo isn't going to be around the team?

This team has totally lacked any edge this spring. All I hear is, "We're not worried. We believe we're a good team." Hope they can flip the switch once the real games start.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:09 am

I have almost 0 concern with how they are playing in spring. Sloppiness could possibly carry over, but they are basically just getting all the kinks out and that should change once real games start (hopefully).

If records or stats meant anything at all in spring, Philly, Colorado, and Milwaukee would look like contenders while the Pirates, Cubs, Mets, Cards, and Giants wouldn't.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:22 am

mhardy_03 wrote:I have almost 0 concern with how they are playing in spring. Sloppiness could possibly carry over, but they are basically just getting all the kinks out and that should change once real games start (hopefully).

I would agree. Except when we see the continuation of problems that have manifested themselves during the season.

For the first time, I'll say that I'm worried about the offense. Yeah, I get that we're not a home run hitting team. Well, you can't hit home runs at RDS anyway. We should be able to find other ways to score and not be 29th of 30 teams in offense, right?

The Diamondbacks and the Giants have scored twice as many runs as the Cardinals have this spring. Think about that for a second. In less than a month, they've scored twice as many runs. That's ridiculous.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:25 am

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mhardy_03 wrote:I have almost 0 concern with how they are playing in spring. Sloppiness could possibly carry over, but they are basically just getting all the kinks out and that should change once real games start (hopefully).

I would agree. Except when we see the continuation of problems that have manifested themselves during the season.

For the first time, I'll say that I'm worried about the offense. Yeah, I get that we're not a home run hitting team. Well, you can't hit home runs at RDS anyway. We should be able to find other ways to score and not be 29th of 30 teams in offense, right?

The Diamondbacks and the Giants have scored twice as many runs as the Cardinals have this spring. Think about that for a second. In less than a month, they've scored twice as many runs. That's ridiculous.

One difference is that those teams are playing in Arizona where it is dry and the ball flies everywhere. I'll admit there is a tiny bit of concern here also, but I'd need to compare them with other teams playing in Florida. Haven't looked all that up yet though.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:33 am

It's still pretty sad with just the Florida teams. Five teams scoring 50% more runs than the Cardinals this spring.

Grapefruit League - Runs Scored
Nationals - 157
Tigers - 148
Orioles - 147
Phillies - 142
Astros - 137
Blue Jays - 135
Twins - 134
Braves - 126
Red Sox - 121
Mets - 119
Rays - 100
Pirates - 97
Yankees - 95
Cardinals - 91
Marlins - 82
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:38 am

Yeah I did glance at that and saw the Nats played the same number of games but had about 50% more runs. Some of the others have played more games but it still looks pretty bad.

We also know though that the Nats won't continue to hit to an .819 OPS as a team. Or the Tigers to .834.

I don't think things will be this bad in season. But if I said there was no concern at all, I'd be lying.

EDIT: Doesn't really change the point much, but a little more data isn't bad.

Team-League-Games-Runs-RPG-OPS
Nationals-NL-24-157-6.54-0.819
Tigers-AL-26-148-5.69-0.834
Blue Jays-AL-24-135-5.63-0.802
Phillies-NL-26-142-5.46-0.796
Orioles-AL-27-147-5.44-0.758
Twins-AL-26-134-5.15-0.757
Astros-AL-27-137-5.07-0.766
Mets-NL-25-119-4.76-0.710
Braves-NL-27-126-4.67-0.746
Red Sox-AL-26-121-4.65-0.751
Rays-AL-23-100-4.35-0.752
Yankees-AL-25-95-3.8-0.645
Cardinals-NL-24-91-3.79-0.720
Pirates-NL-26-97-3.73-0.724
Marlins-NL-22-82-3.73-0.683
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby Razz » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:03 pm

I think Wong has at least five errors himself already this spring. He doesn't seem to have his head in most games. Same as we've seen the last two seasons from him and that's concerning. Doesn't seem to be improving.

The bottom of the order scares me. We most likely will have Moss, Yadi, Tejeda, and the pitcher. Moss is a career .243 hitter anyway but he does have power. If I'm a pitcher, I don't give him anything to hit as long as I don't have any threats behind him. So at that point you have four of your nine players who you will get very little out of offensively. Throw Wongs inconsistency in there, and it could be worse.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:34 pm

The lineup isn't too bad. I expect today's lineup to be the Opening Day lineup against Gerrit Cole. Most of the starters have it, at least, satisfactorily.

Three questions: Will Carpenter flip the switch? Will Matheny have the balls to move Holliday from the #3 spot? Will Molina provide anything offensively after being rushed back?

3B Matt Carpenter (.204/.244/.359)
RF Stephen Piscotty (.310/.396/.333)
LF Matt Holliday (.241/.281/.310)
1B Matt Adams (.282/.341/.462)
CF Randal Grichuk (.325/.372/.600)
C Yadier Molina (.150/.190/.150)
2B Kolten Wong (.300/.333/.400)
SS Ruben Tejada (.313/.333/.531)
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby Tulcard » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:52 pm

As it looks initially our pitching staff had better throw a bunch of shutouts, or at least limit the opponents' runs scored to 1 or 2 per game....which is the goal regardless. Surely the offense will kick in. Definitely has the talent to do so.... 8-)
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:30 pm

I was looking at away splits tonight. The team hits pretty well in games away from RDS, just have trouble generating runs. Which has really been the problem the last few years. We've had trouble generating the kind of runs that should go with our other numbers. That's ultimately why it feels like the offense is much worse than it is. Feels like more of the same this spring.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby MadHungo » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:04 am

Now remember, this is just a question, but I have to wonder if Mabry is at fault per the lack of offense? In eight seasons with the Cards Mabry's BA = .281 in 2,212 AB' per 748 games played. During John's eight year stint with the Cards it clear to see that he was a "Doubles" hitter, as he hit 121 doubles compared to 53 HR' along 4 triples. And if my calculations are right he hit 443 singles. Stats provided by: Baseball Reference

I guess what I'm getting at is, with Mabry's numbers not reflecting "power" numbers could it possibly be he's really not the right man for the job? Sure, singles & doubles lead to runs, sometimes, but if you don't have guys who can't hit for power all them singles & doubles, well to me their just a waste!
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby R27 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:19 pm

MadHungo wrote:I guess what I'm getting at is, with Mabry's numbers not reflecting "power" numbers could it possibly be he's really not the right man for the job? Sure, singles & doubles lead to runs, sometimes, but if you don't have guys who can't hit for power all them singles & doubles, well to me their just a waste!

I don't know that looking at Mabry's career numbers really indicate the kind of hitting coach he'll be. Barry Bonds is the Marlins' hitting coach this year and they're the only spring training offense worse than the Cardinals. :lol: And really, Mabry teaches the same philosophy that McGwire taught, or at least claims to.

A metric I've been working on to determine how well the offense is scoring runs has been to look at the range between where your team stands in OBP (13th for the Cardinals in '15) and SLG (23rd) and your runs scored rank (24th) should theoretically fall between those two. Beyond that 2013 with the incredible RISP performances, the Cardinals' offense has been stagnant and underwhelming. Tracking back over the last decade or so with it, when Cardinals offenses have failed to meet that standard, the hitting coach as been fired. Mabry now has two years in a row.

Is it Mabry's fault? I don't know that any of us can really know for sure. But I think it's time to replace him and find out.
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Re: No wonder 5 Errors yesterday - Oquendo is on DL!

Postby Tulcard » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:36 pm

We also have relied on superior pitching to win. This is how the club has been constructed.

We also don't have the Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, etc. hitters who can jack the ball. Holliday is not a HR hitter per se. Maybe Grichuk will develop into this type of hitter, but we really don't have the true power hitter(s) in the lineup anymore.... 8-)

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