Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

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Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby EOCF » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:11 pm

Anything related to offseason moves for this upcoming winter should be put here for further discussion.

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:56 pm

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby EOCF » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:18 pm

From MLBTR (Originally from Rick Hummel at the STLPD)

The infield is a source of some uncertainty for the Cardinals heading into the 2017 season, writes Rick Hummel of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. However, unlike many clubs with positional uncertainty, St. Louis’ problem isn’t a lack of options but rather a number of potential fits. The hot corner looks to be Jhonny Peralta’s entering next year, Hummel surmises, as Matt Carpenter could play either first base or second base — representing another position change for the versatile infielder. Peralta acknowledged to Hummel that rookie Aledmys Diaz has seized the shortstop gig and will play there moving forward, and the veteran didn’t have any complaints about the move.

Hummel also touched on the possibility that the team moves Peralta (a move that would be popular on this forum) and that still having Adams, Wong and possibly Moss makes the infield situation very unclear to say the least.

Personally, i'd prefer to see the club use their pitching and infield depth to trade for an upgrade at 3B while moving Carpenter to LF or 1B. That's just me though.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:37 pm

Carp, by far, was our worst 1Bman - needs a lot of work. Even Holliday looked more comfortable. Then Moss, who wasn't great.

Adams is an excellent 1Bman, provided he doesn't have to throw under duress.

I thought Gyrko did a good job @ 3B, a tad better than Peralta.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:17 am

chevyman58 wrote:Carp, by far, was our worst 1Bman - needs a lot of work. Even Holliday looked more comfortable. Then Moss, who wasn't great.

Adams is an excellent 1Bman, provided he doesn't have to throw under duress.

I feel like third, short, and second are more instinctual infield positions while first base is more technical because of how you have to move without the ball and the footwork required to make sure you're in the best position to react to what's coming. But I have confidence that Carpenter can learn the footwork and get comfortable with it. The actual fielding part is just third base in reverse.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:50 am

Let's hope, he cost us some outs with lack of stretch or stretching too early & getting locked-in. He missed some pickoff throws he's got to handle. And his catch-'n-tag skills at 1B almost as bad as Peralta's are anywhere.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:25 am

Carpenter is a good enough athlete to learn the nuances of 1B. According to the PD, at the moment our IF from 3B to 1B looks like this: Peralta, Diaz, Wong/Gyorko and Carp. Looking to make a trade to bring a core player for the CF position and move Grichuk to LF. Moss will more than likely not be retained.

My main concern is improved defense both in the IF and OF. Not particularly concerned about SP, BP, or offense.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:55 pm

R27 - what are defensive metric comparisons from JJay 2014 & Grichuk 2016?

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:21 am

Well here's Jay:
2011: 2.1 UZR/150, +5 defensive runs saved,
2012: 4.7 UZR/150, +1 defensive run saved, 993 innings
2013: -7.5 UZR/150, -10 defensive runs saved, 1286 innings
2014: 12.8 UZR/150, +5 defensive runs saved, 749 innings
2015: 18.0 UZR/150, +1 defensive runs saved, 407 innings

And here's Grichuk:
2015: 13.1 UZR/150, +5 defensive runs saved, 282 innings
2016: -1.8 UZR/150, +7 defensive runs saved, 949 innings

I like UZR because it breaks down components into arm, range, errors, and double plays (for infielders).

Jay typically made up for his lack of arm with his range every year except 2013 where his range number was down.

Grichuk was pretty all around last year, but this year was making up for a lack of range with his arm.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:23 am

Grichuk didn't look near that good to me. Missed a lot of balls over his head, a couple of critical ones in September.

Thanks for doin' the research R27.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:57 pm

chevyman58 wrote:Grichuk didn't look near that good to me. Missed a lot of balls over his head, a couple of critical ones in September.

Thanks for doin' the research R27.

I think a couple carried further than he expected them too which is just read off the bat. He also talked earlier this year about finding ways to stay in the game because there are all kinds of factors going on that can affect where the ball goes. Maybe he relapsed a bit and wasn't paying as sharp attention?

But there were several close ones that people complained about that I don't think he could have gotten, even if he played it perfectly. I think it's just a case of "almost" syndrome. Because he almost got there, people think he should have.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:01 am

Cardinals bench coach David Bell is one of the candidates being considered for the D-Backs’ open manager position, The Arizona Republic reported late Sunday.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:44 pm

Marlins Looking To Acquire Starting Pitching

The Marlins’ main objective is to upgrade their rotation during the offseason, but their limited budget will likely prevent them from chasing either of the best impending free agent starters, Rich Hill or Jeremy Hellickson, according to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald.

The upcoming free agent market is largely devoid of quality starters, which means the Marlins could go the trade route to bolster their rotation. The team doesn’t plan to shop its two best outfielders – Giancarlo Stanton and Christian Yelich – or catcher J.T. Realmuto in an attempt to acquire pitching, though it’s willing to listen to potential offers for outfielder Marcell Ozuna, second baseman Dee Gordon, shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria and utilityman Derek Dietrich, Jackson reports.

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Honestly, this kind of feels like it would be a good match for the Cardinals. A team with outfield depth looking to replace a starting pitcher who died suddenly and a team with pitching depth still looking to replace an outfielder who died suddenly.

Ozuna has played a plus center field in the past. Basically he is range challenged and makes up for it with his arm, like Grichuk which isn't totally bad. He's coming off a year where he hit .266/.321/.452 with 23 doubles and 23 HR. First time arbitration eligible, so still three seasons of team control. I'd be very interested if I was Mo.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby cardinalfan4life » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:19 pm

Depends..how old is Ozuna? itd make sense to me to R27.

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