Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:36 pm

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Tulcard wrote: Disappointed in hearing Oh may not want to re-sign and likely wants to move on from STL. We'll see how that develops.


Where'd ya hear that?

Did I miss a story on it here somewhere?


I think I read it on one of the two "Chats" with Goold at the PD.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:57 pm

The Dodgers have made no secret about its interest in Twins second baseman Brian Dozier. The new wrinkle, though, according to Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN, is that the Cardinals are “very much in it” as well.

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/12/26/rep ... yptr=yahoo
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:48 pm

chevyman58 wrote:The Dodgers have made no secret about its interest in Twins second baseman Brian Dozier. The new wrinkle, though, according to Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN, is that the Cardinals are “very much in it” as well.

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/12/26/rep ... yptr=yahoo

I'm confused at this. Can't say I'd be upset about it, depending on the cost of prospects of course. Doesn't help the infield defense though.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:52 pm

Would you rather have Dozier, or Peralta? Would you rather have Dozier, or Wong?

It wouldn't surprise me if Mo put a call in just to test the waters. I don't think he really wants to trade Wong. Now Peralta is a different story, but it would take a lot more than him potentially.... 8-)
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:57 pm

Tulcard wrote:Would you rather have Dozier, or Peralta? Would you rather have Dozier, or Wong?

There is no question about that on either of them, especially after reading into his approach and mechanic changes after a rough start this year. But the big thing going into this offseason was to improve the defense and kind of get away from the slow mashers. They did so with Fowler. Dozier is a good baserunner but fits right into the masher description.

Don't get me wrong, I'm taking Dozier and batting him 4th and he makes the lineup look much better (very similar to how EE would have), but it is just a different direction from where he said we were going since this seemingly removes Wong, our likely best infield defender, from the lineup and likely the team. That's why I'm not upset by the change of direction, just a little confused.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:05 pm

Like I said, Mo was probably just checking in. After all, Wong just moved to STL from Hawaii this winter to make the city his new home if that makes any difference. The Twins would want him in any deal.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:50 pm

Tulcard wrote:Like I said, Mo was probably just checking in. After all, Wong just moved to STL from Hawaii this winter to make the city his new home if that makes any difference. The Twins would want him in any deal.

The article also says they are "very much in the mix" on it. So gotta think it is at least a little more than just checking in on it. Who knows though until something happens.

Let's get super crazy here and say the trade is Wong and Grichuk for Dozier and they also sign Bautista to a 1/20 contract. :shock: :roll: :lol:
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:50 pm

That would leave me "Dazed & Confused".... 8-)
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:24 am

Are we so sure the Wong as an outfielder concept has been abandoned?
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:10 am

chevyman58 wrote:Are we so sure the Wong as an outfielder concept has been abandoned?


I would think so for now.... 8-)
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:12 am

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Tulcard wrote:Like I said, Mo was probably just checking in. After all, Wong just moved to STL from Hawaii this winter to make the city his new home if that makes any difference. The Twins would want him in any deal.

The article also says they are "very much in the mix" on it. So gotta think it is at least a little more than just checking in on it. Who knows though until something happens.:

It's a local Minneapolis reporter, so I'll put a lot more faith in "very much in the mix" than if a national guy like Olney, Rosenthal, or Heyman had broken the rumors.

Dozier makes the team more projectable next year, but hard to say for sure right now that he makes the team better.

And much of the excitement seems to be the fact that he had a 6.2 WAR last year. But I'd do one of Freakster's famous Market Street bun runs if he ever did that again.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby Tulcard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:28 am

When you look at his numbers it seems like we would be trading for Gyorko #2 and our current Cardinal (Gyorko) is probably just as good in the field. Mo is not going to give up a bunch of prospects anyway, much less for Dozier.... 8-)
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:59 am

Right, I wouldn't expect Dozier to put up another 6 WAR season, but I also wouldn't expect Gyorko to have a season like he had last year either. If Dozier reverts back to 2013-2015, he is Gyorko in his career year with better defense and baserunning. Like R27 said, he has improved his ISO every year. He came up at age 25 and looks like a late bloomer (ala Marp) to me. I read an article about how he changed his mechanics and approach earlier in the year and just exploded after that. He was a 3 WAR player before 2016. He likely isn't a 6 WAR player over the next 2 seasons, but he could easily be somewhere in between.

Another thing I have seen about him is that he is very good defensively except for his range, so 3B could be a great fit for him. I know it isn't good to keep playing people in positions they aren't familiar with and normally wouldn't be completely for it, but it could make sense in this case if the deal didn't include Wong. He played SS primarily when he first came up and played a decent amount of 3B in the minors. I gotta think he would be better than Peralta there at the minimum.

Plus he only makes $6M next year and $9M in 2018. Crazy good contract.

I still think this is coming from the Twins to drive up the price, but it hasn't been cleared up by anyone from the Cards yet, so who knows. I'd be happy with it depending on the return. He would definitely be an upgrade to the lineup no matter what the offer though since Reyes is untouchable.
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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:26 am

I super don't trust Gyorko to come anywhere near his 2016 numbers. Even with adjustments, he is a one trick pony and was badly exposed in San Diego a few years ago. I love him as a regularly used utility guy, but he's an extremely risky bet as a starter IMO.

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Re: Official: 2016 Cardinals' Offseason Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:34 am

EOCF wrote:I super don't trust Gyrko to come anywhere near his 2016 numbers. Even with adjustments, he is a one trick pony and was badly exposed in San Diego a few years ago. I love him as a regularly used utility guy, but he's an extremely risky bet as a starter IMO.

Gyorko as part of the trade for Dozier actually would make a lot of sense for the Twins. They currently have top prospect Jorge Polanco penciled in at SS but everything I've seen is that he should eventually be a 2B. They currently have Miguel Sano penciled in at 3B, but his future is likely 1B or DH. If they traded Dozier, Gyorko could be plugged in at 2B until they get a SS to move Polanco to 2B, Gyorko to 3B, and Sano to 1B/DH. Obviously pitching would be included as well and this is all speculation, but they may want Gyorko over Wong as a better fit.

This really should be in the "Be the GM" thread I guess or some sort of speculation thread as it isn't really a rumor other than their interest in him. :oops:
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