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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby marteezy » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:54 am

chevyman58 wrote:I don't like this event AT ALL

CMart & Molina are apparently both playing in the WBC.

Mo has apparently given Reyes permission, he hasn't been invited yet.

Hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 2d58a.html


The risk of injury is always there, especially for pitchers. However, if a guy blows out his arm, chances are, it was going to happen anyway.

It's a fun event and it's nice to see the game in an international setting.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby EOCF » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:16 pm

This might also be the last one. It's not making enough money for MLB to think it's worth it.

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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby BrewCards » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:11 am

It still seems weird when I see that 25 jersey on a guy other than Big Mac.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby chevyman58 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:50 am

Ken Rosenthal reported that it was for $82.5 million and includes a full no-trade clause.

Fowler and Carpenter are two of just nine players to post an OBP of at least .365 (min 300 plate apps) in at least four of the past five years.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby R27 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:43 pm

chevyman58 wrote:Ken Rosenthal reported that it was for $82.5 million and includes a full no-trade clause.

Fowler and Carpenter are two of just nine players to post an OBP of at least .365 (min 300 plate apps) in at least four of the past five years.

$16.5M per is a great deal for Fowler. Outside of Cespedes, he might be the best all around player in this free agent class. And I feel like he's not that much different from Heyward and he got $23M per last winter. And while I don't think he's a good enough center fielder, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be. Has the tools.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby Razz » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:18 am

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chevyman58 wrote:Ken Rosenthal reported that it was for $82.5 million and includes a full no-trade clause.

Fowler and Carpenter are two of just nine players to post an OBP of at least .365 (min 300 plate apps) in at least four of the past five years.

$16.5M per is a great deal for Fowler. Outside of Cespedes, he might be the best all around player in this free agent class. And I feel like he's not that much different from Heyward and he got $23M per last winter. And while I don't think he's a good enough center fielder, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be. Has the tools.


My main concern with Fowler is he's going to be 35 years old when his contract is up. He's a decent outfielder now, but put three or four more years on his legs and he could have trouble. Same with his hitting. I would have loved for us to sign him to a three year deal, but I guess now we'll have to hope for the best.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

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Razz wrote:
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chevyman58 wrote:Ken Rosenthal reported that it was for $82.5 million and includes a full no-trade clause.

Fowler and Carpenter are two of just nine players to post an OBP of at least .365 (min 300 plate apps) in at least four of the past five years.

$16.5M per is a great deal for Fowler. Outside of Cespedes, he might be the best all around player in this free agent class. And I feel like he's not that much different from Heyward and he got $23M per last winter. And while I don't think he's a good enough center fielder, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be. Has the tools.


My main concern with Fowler is he's going to be 35 years old when his contract is up. He's a decent outfielder now, but put three or four more years on his legs and he could have trouble. Same with his hitting. I would have loved for us to sign him to a three year deal, but I guess now we'll have to hope for the best.

He should be fine moving to a corner at that point. Bader and then Sierra could push him that way anyway in the next 5 years. His value won't be as good then but gotta think his OBP should age well.
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Postby EOCF » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:56 pm

mhardy_03 wrote:[quote="Razz"][quote="R27"][quote="chevyman58"]Ken Rosenthal reported that it was for $82.5 million and includes a full no-trade clause.

Fowler and Carpenter are two of just nine players to post an OBP of at least .365 (min 300 plate apps) in at least four of the past five years.

$16.5M per is a great deal for Fowler. Outside of Cespedes, he might be the best all around player in this free agent class. And I feel like he's not that much different from Heyward and he got $23M per last winter. And while I don't think he's a good enough center fielder, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be. Has the tools.[/quote]

My main concern with Fowler is he's going to be 35 years old when his contract is up. He's a decent outfielder now, but put three or four more years on his legs and he could have trouble. Same with his hitting. I would have loved for us to sign him to a three year deal, but I guess now we'll have to hope for the best.[/quote]
He should be fine moving to a corner at that point. Bader and then Sierra could push him that way anyway in the next 5 years. His value won't be as good then but gotta think his OBP should age well.[/quote]
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby Tulcard » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:08 am

Back to the Future? Welcome home Mr. Fryer:

http://m.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article ... contracts/
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:44 pm

We were mystified by the move & discussed it when Fryer was released. Made no sense, hurt us. They saw what he had in him then and knew what they had in Pena then. Pena comes back, immediately gets hurt again and is back on the DL. Kelly comes up late & plays.

Then we get into November & they release Pena cold, owing him a full season's pay of $2.5M. Same guy with same team knowledge as earlier, nothin'd changed. Just released him. Now they sign Fyer back again.

What the $#%@ is the deal?????

Tells me they learned something disqualifying about Pena they couldn't live with. Lack of rehab effort? Lack of weight-loss initiative? Somethin'?
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby Tulcard » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:22 pm

Possibly sitting around and collecting 2.5 mil? Not mention what he was paid last season!! I'm all in....please release me....let me go.... ;)
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby R27 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:42 pm

chevyman58 wrote:We were mystified by the move & discussed it when Fryer was released. Made no sense, hurt us. They saw what he had in him then and knew what they had in Pena then. Pena comes back, immediately gets hurt again and is back on the DL. Kelly comes up late & plays.

Then we get into November & they release Pena cold, owing him a full season's pay of $2.5M. Same guy with same team knowledge as earlier, nothin'd changed. Just released him. Now they sign Fyer back again.

What the $#%@ is the deal?????

Tells me they learned something disqualifying about Pena they couldn't live with. Lack of rehab effort? Lack of weight-loss initiative? Somethin'?

They needed to make a roster spot in November and they had a 34 year old catcher with recurring knee trouble whose health is still in question. I think that explains itself. At his age and weight, there is likely serious questions about whether he'll be able to regularly play catcher ever again.

If Pena doesn't go on the DL again with further knee issues in July, I think he's still around. If Pena was 5 years younger, I think he's still around. Too much risk to rely on him being your guy when there's a free agent catcher with whom you are comfortable with in that role.

But with Fryer, I'm afraid too many fans are going to expect St. Louis Fryer who hit .368/.415/.421 and be disappointed when they get Pittsburgh Fryer who hit .218/.300/.269.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:26 am

I think Pittsburgh Fryer pretty much = Tony Cruz, doesn't he?
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby R27 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:51 am

chevyman58 wrote:I think Pittsburgh Fryer pretty much = Tony Cruz, doesn't he?

Yeah, but nobody really liked Tony Cruz and often bemoaned that he wasn't a better hitter so that Molina could sit more often.

It's a chicken & egg paradox really.
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Re: 2016-17 Cardinals Offseason News

Postby Tulcard » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:23 am

I'd hope for Fryer to hit in the .250/.260 range. I'm not sure what anyone should realistically expect from any player who sits most of the year. I'd hope for better results on the defensive side of the equation rather than the offensive side.... 8-)

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