R27 wrote:I've always likened Carpenter to Matt Holliday as a hitter. And to borrow some easier to grasp vocabulary from a pitching staff, they are both very good #2 guys, but neither are a legitimate ace.
Not to make this a Matt Carpenter discussion, but in a way it kinda is.
I see him as a Juan Encarnacion type of hitter. Far from a threat but effective if there are thumpers around him. Today we don't have a Pujols. Carpenter is cast as that guy is he doesn't have the skills to play that role. He strikeout way too much and he doesn't produce as many runs as you'd like.
Since his breakout season he has firmly established himself as a .272 hitter that will hit 20-25 homers and drive in 70-80 runs. He isn't a good defender, he doesn't have speed and he's gonna strikeout 120 times.
That isn't even a legit number 2 threatening hitter. We need a stud. And this team needs to make a play, somehow to get a legit stud. If it means moving Carpenter I'd do it.
If it's a Carpenter discussion, let's at least be realistic about him then. Carpenter and Holliday aren't the same hitter, but they are a lot closer than you give them credit for.
Career: .282/.376/.463/.839, 129 OPS+
Best year: .318/.392/.481/.873, 140 OPS+
Next best years: 136 (2016), 135 (2015), 125 (2012), 125 (2017 so far)
His worst season (2014, 112 OPS+ with .750 OPS) is basically the same as Encarnacion's best.
Career: .302/.382/.515/.897, 134 OPS+
Best year: .296/.388/.525/.912, 151 OPS+
Next best years: 150 (2007), 149 (2010), 142 (2013), 140 (2009)
Encarnacion was pretty much a league average hitter:
Career: .270/.317/.441/.758, 97 OPS+
Best year: .287/.349/.447/.795, 113 OPS+
Had just 2 full seasons out of 8 where he was over 100 (and the other was 101).
Encarnacion was much closer to Adams than he is Carpenter and actually Adams so far in his career has been better. Carpenter is always criminally underrated. He isn't at Holliday's level and I agree he shouldn't be the best hitter on the team. Ideally he is a #2 hitter both in order and quality, but he isn't anywhere close to similar to Encarnacion lol.
Of course Carpenter hasn't been much in the way of RBI because he has batted leadoff for pretty much all of his career until this year (2205 of his 3194 PA) and 2nd for a majority of the rest of his career (510 PA), but he has scored a LOT of runs, as you would expect. And this year, if you project out his RBI numbers, he is on pace for over 100, even with his low batting average.
He is a heck of a hitter, but we agree he shouldn't be the best hitter on the team.