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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:29 am

Tulcard wrote:There's nothing set in stone that Rosenthal won't be back, or won't be re-signed.

From the PD:

"Rosenthal's contract expires at the end of this season, though the Cardinals do maintain one more year of control over the righthander. He will be eligible for arbitration this winter, meaning that process will influence his salary as much as the injury."

Nothing is set in stone, but the writing is on the wall. Mixing metaphors!

They cut Maness who was making $1.4M last year when he was expected back early in the year. You have to figure he would have taken a one year deal at the same price point. The minimum the Cardinals can pay Rosenthal next season without non-tendering him and putting him in free agency is about $5M. Rosenthal's out a year, so the only way Rosenthal returns is a two-year deal that provides the Cardinals a cheap 2018 season packed with incentives.

But then consider the model for this is Greg Holland. Holland's deal with the Rockies was $7M/1 + incentives + option. Holland has so far earned another $6M in incentives and the team option has vested to a $15M player option which, if he duplicates his 2017 season next year, is looking like a $20M+ payday after incentives for Holland next year.

That will be similar to what Boras will look for. And the Cardinals aren't going to put themselves in a situation where they'll pay $20M for a year of a relief pitcher.

I've suggested $10M/2 + $1M for every 10 games finished + $1M for every 10 innings pitched. But even still, a solid season for Rosenthal results in roughly a $20M investment.I don't see the Cardinals paying that.

And even if they were, as we always seem surprised to learn in free agency, there's always another team willing to go further.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby Tulcard » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:27 am

We'll see what they do. Remember these are the same folks who signed that premier reliever, Cecil, to a 4 year deal. May be lessen learned, but it wouldn't surprise me if they still want him in the fold.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:25 pm

No doubt if the price is right, they'd bring him back. But he's a Boras client. And Boras likes to get to free agency as quickly as possible. Doesn't mean they won't come back, but I doubt they'll have any significant conversations about an incentive deal before they have to make a decision.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:32 am

Cardinals stuck in custody battle as Rally Cat lawyers up.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ attempts to reunite with Rally Cat have taken another unpredictable turn. Rally Cat now has a lawyer.

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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:07 pm

The birds on the bat won't get the cat - Rally Cat, that is

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... f6b1a.html
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:31 am

The Cardinals have traded RHP Mike Leake to the Seattle Mariners.

TBA who is coming back. Reported by Nightengale and Rosenthal. Deal is final, Leake has waived his no trade clause. Sounds like Leake wants to be closer to the west coast, family in AZ. Was talked about before Cardinals signed him too.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:42 am

Did we send cash along with him? Owed $53M

5 years/$80M (2016-20), plus 2021 mutual option. 16:$12M, 17:$15M, 18:$17M, 19:$16M, 20:$15M, 21:$18M mutual option ($5M buyout)

I don't think it hurts us this next month, needed to pull him out of rotation anyway.

Who's 5th starter now outa Memphis? This hurts their AAA Postseason run.

Derrick Goold‏ @grobot05 21 minutes ago
#Cardinals getting infielder Kyle Seager from Seattle in deal for Leake

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Mike Leake has not yet arrived in the Miller Park clubhouse. #STLCards players are finding out while watching TV.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby Topps » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:47 am

Wow, that seems to have come out of no where. Definitely caught me off guard. With the way he's pitched lately it doesn't bother me though.

It'll be interesting to see what they get in return.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:49 am

Cardinals confirm the trade. Cardinals are sending cash. Cardinals are getting a player in return. And reportedly they had been trying to deal him for awhile.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:54 am

Kyle Seager, 3B, 29 yrs old, .256, .326, .766, 19HR, 68RBI

Per Cot's:
7 years/$100M (2015-21)
signed extension with Seattle 12/2/14
$3.5M signing bonus
15:$4M, 16:$7.5M, 17:$10.5M, 18:$18.5M, 19:$19M, 20:$19M, 21:$18M, 22:$15M club option
2022 option may increase by $5M to $20M based on award and plate appearances, with buyout ranging from none to $3M
with trade, 2022 becomes player option
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:56 am

Remaining on Gyorko's Deal: 18:$9M, 19:$13M, 20:$13M club option ($1M buyout). Doesn't appear to have any no-trade protection.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:02 pm

chevyman58 wrote:Derrick Goold‏ @grobot05 21 minutes ago
#Cardinals getting infielder Kyle Seager from Seattle in deal for Leake

Don't believe everything you read on Twitter. He does crap like this all the time.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:05 pm

Trade is now official. Leake, cash, and international cap money (that the Cards can't use anyway) to the Mariners in exchange for SS Rayder Ascanio.

Ascanio is a 21 year old shortstop who has hit .217/.295/.355 with 9 HR in A, A+, and AAA this season. Was a top-20 prospect for the Mariners a couple years back. Is known as a defensive whiz with a light bat.

So looking more and more like a salary dump.
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Postby EOCF » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:31 pm

R27 wrote:Trade is now official. Leake, cash, and international cap money (that the Cards can't use anyway) to the Mariners in exchange for SS Rayder Ascanio.

Ascanio is a 21 year old shortstop who has hit .217/.295/.355 with 9 HR in A, A+, and AAA this season. Was a top-20 prospect for the Mariners a couple years back. Is known as a defensive whiz with a light bat.

So looking more and more like a salary dump.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals News Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:32 pm

Pretty huge trade IMO. Clears out some of the pitching logjam. Now it makes a LOT of sense to sign Lynn back whereas before it didn't. All due to the numbers game. Wouldn't be surprised to hear of an extension in the next week or so.
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