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Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:09 pm

First real rumor out there. The Marlins are ready to trade shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria and the Cardinals are one of three teams who have talked to them. That is being reported by the Marlins beat writer, so there is immediate credibility to me on that.

And Yahoo is reporting that a trade could happen in the next few days.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:12 pm

R27 wrote:First real rumor out there. The Marlins are ready to trade shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria and the Cardinals are one of three teams who have talked to them. That is being reported by the Marlins beat writer, so there is immediate credibility to me on that.

And Yahoo is reporting that a trade could happen in the next few days.

Seems like a weird fit for a team that already has plenty of infielders and lacks offense. Not saying it is bad, but just seems strange. Add in Yelich or Stanton and I'm all for it.
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Postby Topps » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:55 pm

Seems odd to me. Isn't Diaz considered one of the better young shortstops in the game? SS would've been one of the last positions I'd look to make a move for.

Bullpen and big bats make much more sense.
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Postby R27 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:59 pm

Topps wrote:Seems odd to me. Isn't Diaz considered one of the better young shortstops in the game? SS would've been one of the last positions I'd look to make a move for.

Bullpen and big bats make much more sense.

Diaz is at best an average defensive shortstop. Hechavarria is one of the top-5 in the league. And at least this season they're hitting similarly and I don't see that turning around for Diaz with how swing happy he is.

Depending on what they're asking for, I like it. Since the start of 2016, Hechavarria has been worth +20 defensive runs saved compared to Diaz. He is a legit shortstop.

This might also be the right opportunity for Mo to "go big or go home" that I've said for years he'll need to do to get anywhere close to the right return on value for a big name and bring in Hechavarria and one of their outfielders at the same time.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby Razz » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:01 am

R27 wrote:
Topps wrote:Seems odd to me. Isn't Diaz considered one of the better young shortstops in the game? SS would've been one of the last positions I'd look to make a move for.

Bullpen and big bats make much more sense.

Diaz is at best an average defensive shortstop. Hechavarria is one of the top-5 in the league. And at least this season they're hitting similarly and I don't see that turning around for Diaz with how swing happy he is.

Depending on what they're asking for, I like it. Since the start of 2016, Hechavarria has been worth +20 defensive runs saved compared to Diaz. He is a legit shortstop.

This might also be the right opportunity for Mo to "go big or go home" that I've said for years he'll need to do to get anywhere close to the right return on value for a big name and bring in Hechavarria and one of their outfielders at the same time.


I seen in an article, but I can't find it now, that they're thinking of moving Diaz to second and shopping Wong at the deadline. Cards believe most of Diaz errors are on throws and being at second could help.
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Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:12 pm

And the Cards are out of the running for Hech. Looks like he will be going to the Rays for some fringe prospects.
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Postby R27 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:18 pm

mhardy_03 wrote:And the Cards are out of the running for Hech. Looks like he will be going to the Rays for some fringe prospects.

I just don't understand how you don't go get him. Diaz is not the answer at shortstop, especially not if he doesn't hit like he did last year and I doubt he ever will since he seems allergic to walking. I highly doubt DeJong is. Closest answer we possibly have in the system in Perez who is 18 and playing short season A ball. Cards are back where they were pre-Peralta. No shortstop.

Hech is the perfect guy to trade for and then lock up for four or five years to play short, solidify your defense with Wong up the middle and then build around.

Just because you're unwilling to part with "fringe prospects." Ugh. After all, from what is written at MLBTR the Marlins sound like they're willing to give him away if you'd eat the salary.

I don't understand. If you're building towards a team that is athletic and plays exceptional defense, Hech is the kind of guy you want. Not the answer, but he does make you better. And any time you can make your team better without impacting the big picture, it should be a no brainer.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:45 pm

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mhardy_03 wrote:And the Cards are out of the running for Hech. Looks like he will be going to the Rays for some fringe prospects.

I just don't understand how you don't go get him. Diaz is not the answer at shortstop, especially not if he doesn't hit like he did last year and I doubt he ever will since he seems allergic to walking. I highly doubt DeJong is. Closest answer we possibly have in the system in Perez who is 18 and playing short season A ball. Cards are back where they were pre-Peralta. No shortstop.

Hech is the perfect guy to trade for and then lock up for four or five years to play short, solidify your defense with Wong up the middle and then build around.

Just because you're unwilling to part with "fringe prospects." Ugh. After all, from what is written at MLBTR the Marlins sound like they're willing to give him away if you'd eat the salary.

I don't understand. If you're building towards a team that is athletic and plays exceptional defense, Hech is the kind of guy you want. Not the answer, but he does make you better. And any time you can make your team better without impacting the big picture, it should be a no brainer.

Yep, agreed. I don't think he would be "the fix" to the team, but he would help the problem. You can even still be a seller this year and pick him up if he is basically just a salary dump. Sell off the rental pieces but start to set up the roster for next year with him at SS. But what do I know.

Hell, from the sounds of it, the Rays are asking for a bullpen arm included if they take on the salary. Which just makes it even worse because what other team that we follow closely could use some help there??

I have mentioned to some that my ideal trade with the Marlins if they are serious about dumping salary (which it sounds like they are), is to deal for Hech and Stanton. It would have to be after the AS break since there is already hype about Stanton defending his HR Derby title this year and the game is in Miami. But it would solve 2 problems (MIF defense and middle of order bat) and really the biggest cost would be money. Stanton is somewhat of an issue with his contract, and he has an opt out after 2020, but I can't see him opting out of 7/218 going into his age 31 season. Or it would be 8/233 if his final year option is picked up. Sounds like a ton, but that is basically what the cost of a middle of the order hitter will be going forward. And it shouldn't cost all that much in prospects if they are dumping salary. Not that I expect it to happen but a guy can dream...
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:45 pm

Well, it's seems like a done deal. Hechavarria to the Rays for RHP Ethan Clark (A) and OF Braxton Lee (AA).

Neither player on the Rays' top-30 prospects list. And their system was ranked 11th while the Cardinals were ranked 12th.

It doesn't surprise me that Mo let him slip away. Would have been a fun defender to watch.
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Re: Official 2017 Cardinals Rumors Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:23 pm


Goold has talked in his chats for a few months now about Donaldson being the most obvious trade target for the Cardinals, but we'll see.

Toronto's in a weird spot and they could go either way towards rebuilding or focus on adding a piece or two.
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Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:01 pm

R27 wrote:

Goold has talked in his chats for a few months now about Donaldson being the most obvious trade target for the Cardinals, but we'll see.

Toronto's in a weird spot and they could go either way towards rebuilding or focus on adding a piece or two.

He is kind of a weird fit on defense for the Cardinals as of now too.
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Postby Tulcard » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:11 pm

Not sure what you mean by weird fit. Depending on what Toronto would want in return he would obviously be a fit at 3B, or even at 1B if Carpenter would be dealt. The man is an athlete and surely would be able to handle another position if need be.

Just not sure Toronto would deal him. He's kinda one of those guys you build a team around.
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Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:37 pm

Tulcard wrote:Not sure what you mean by weird fit. Depending on what Toronto would want in return he would obviously be a fit at 3B, or even at 1B if Carpenter would be dealt. The man is an athlete and surely would be able to handle another position if need be.

Just not sure Toronto would deal him. He's kinda one of those guys you build a team around.

That's what I mean. He fits here at 3B, but Gyorko is playing really well there already. And 1B isn't open unless Carpenter is moved, which I don't see happening (although I wouldn't be against it in the right deal). Obviously if you trade for him, you make him fit, just saying that trading for another 3B doesn't make as much sense as possibly another position since your best player to this point also plays 3B and has been very good defensively.

I'm betting that they will deal him this year. They need to start tearing that down and he has control thru 1 more year after this year. Whether it is to STL or somewhere else, I'll be surprised if he is still with Toronto at the end of the year barring some crazy run by them in the next couple weeks.
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