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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby cardinalfan4life » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:00 am

Nop..BS Alert...Stanton is to good of a player and would command to much money for us to afford. If we couldnot afford Albert Pujols at 210 million, our own player what makes you think we can afford the power bat in the NL at 325 million?
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Postby chevyman58 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:47 am

cardinalfan4life wrote: If we couldnot afford Albert Pujols at 210 million, our own player


Somewhat apples & oranges. Pujols was to be 32 at start of a new contract, had already endured 11 seasons in MLB playing virtually everyday, had developed some nagging ailments, could only effectively play 1B/DH was starting to decline. Stanton will be 28 at the start of next season, on the uptick.

New TV deal & getting your asses kicked last couple years should free up the purse strings.

But, to your point, crazy dough for one slot & Stanton has consistently missed lotta time to injuries over his 8 seasons.
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Postby EOCF » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:48 pm

Those injuries are what worry me. Lots of missed games over the years when he should theoretically be the healthiest. A couple of years with only 80-100 games played and suddenly the situation starts to remind you of Griffey Jr. In Cincinnati.

That said, I think if you get the shot, you have to take it. Miami seems to have 3 different approaches it can take.

1. See if any team will give up something of value for Stanton and pay something like 80-90% of the contract (this is the most likely result).
2. Offer to pay 30-40% of the contract and maximize the return on prospects and boost your rebuild (this option would make STL the favorite IMO).
3. Literally ask for a bag of balls in exchange for all of Stanton's deal and possibly even a deadweight contract like Prado's (LA, Chicago or Boston Are probably the only teams that could swing this).
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:16 am

Before embarking on the offseason intent on recasting the middle of his club’s lineup, Cardinals executive John Mozeliak took a detour to Las Vegas to discuss, in person, with Dexter Fowler one move the team doesn’t plan to make and one move it probably will.

Over dinner in the city Fowler calls home in the offseason, Mozeliak assured the outfielder that the team had no interest in trading him this winter, but come spring training he should be prepared for a possible move from center field to a corner position, such as left field. Mozeliak wanted to be sure the veteran, who has played all but one inning of his big-league career in center, understood the team’s thinking and how they saw a way to improve the defense.

According to the plus-minus rating calculated by Bill James Online, Fowler had a career-worst minus-37, down from a plus-2 with the Cubs in 2016. By contrast, Pham was a plus-2 in center for the Cardinals as Fowler’s sub. Pham’s 10 Defensive Runs Saved in left ranked third at that position.

Matheny said he’s not yet plotting out who will play where during spring training, except that Carpenter will play a little bit of everywhere and Fowler knows he could be somewhere other than center.

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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby R27 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:19 pm

cardinalfan4life wrote:Nop..BS Alert...Stanton is to good of a player and would command to much money for us to afford. If we couldnot afford Albert Pujols at 210 million, our own player what makes you think we can afford the power bat in the NL at 325 million?

Two totally different realities. Main reasons why this isn't "too much money"

  • In 2011 the Cardinals were near the top of their payroll budget.
  • Pujols was 32 years old and wanted a 10 year, $250 million commitment
  • Today, the Cardinals have roughly $60 million they could add to the payroll budget without an issue.
  • Stanton is 27 years old and is already signed to a 10 year, $295 million deal.
  • Miami is expected to have to put in at least $50 million if they want top prospects in return.
  • Pujols would be commited to through age 41. Stanton is only until age 37.
  • After age 32, they would only have $214 million committed to Stanton. Worth noting that that over 10 years was around what their rumored final offer was to Pujols.
  • You're getting Stanton's prime years vs Pujols' decline years.
  • Cardinals had Holliday under contract and a potential franchise bat in Taveras finishing up a ridiculous season in Single-A. Cardinals have no bat like Holliday or Taveras' under contract or on the way.

EOCF wrote:Those injuries are what worry me. Lots of missed games over the years when he should theoretically be the healthiest. A couple of years with only 80-100 games played and suddenly the situation starts to remind you of Griffey Jr. In Cincinnati.

If I recall when I looked at this it's all been freak stuff for the past few years. All the stuff that could have been chronic injuries happened early and have not recurred. He missed time after getting hit by a pitch and another after breaking his wrist on a swing.

EOCF wrote:3. Literally ask for a bag of balls in exchange for all of Stanton's deal and possibly even a deadweight contract like Prado's (LA, Chicago or Boston Are probably the only teams that could swing this).

That's actually an interesting angle. Call up Miami and offer to not only take all of Stanton's deal, but Prado's as well. Two years, about $30 million left. He hit about to his norms to open up the season until he got hurt and then the numbers started tailing off. He's historically been a plus defender at third base, so he could be an answer there with Carpenter staying at first base and you'd arguably have the potential to have plus defenders at all eight positions in the field.

I still think there's value you could get out of Prado. It'd let Miami really clear out some junk payroll and work on redirecting.
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:54 am

According to Rosenthal, the San Francisco Giants are the one known team to send a proposal to Miami. If they haven’t already, the St. Louis Cardinals and Boston Red Sox are expected to follow suit. Several other clubs are reportedly in the early stages of putting together their initial offer.

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Postby R27 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:26 am

November 20th has been my day that I expect a Stanton deal to be done by. We'll see what happens.
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:09 am

R27 wrote:November 20th has been my day that I expect a Stanton deal to be done by. We'll see what happens.

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Postby chevyman58 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:03 am

"Some in the industry expect the Dodgers to make a push to acquire Stanton, although it's unclear if they've made a formal offer. Stanton, a Southern California native, grew up a Dodgers fan and almost certainly prefers Los Angeles to any other destination. As long as the Dodgers are a possibility, Stanton may find it difficult to agree to a deal with the Cardinals".
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby R27 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:13 am

Reports are that the Giants' offer is 2B Joe Panik, RHP Tyler Beede (SF #2 prospect), and OF Chris Shaw (SF #3 prospect) for 2B Dee Gordon and OF Giancarlo Stanton.

Cardinals offer is yet unknown, but believed to include RHP Sandy Alcantara (STL #9 prospect) among other prospects.
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby R27 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 am

Sounds like Marlins are in no rush and expect this to just be the first round of offers.
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby Topps » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:09 pm

So I’ve read another supposed offer was Reyes, Alcantara, Grichuk, and Diaz. Can’t find anything from a reliable source that it was indeed an offer though. Any of you guys seen that or know if there’s any truth to it?
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Postby R27 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:15 pm

Topps wrote:So I’ve read another supposed offer was Reyes, Alcantara, Grichuk, and Diaz. Can’t find anything from a reliable source that it was indeed an offer though. Any of you guys seen that or know if there’s any truth to it?

I've seen that too. Sounds about par. My understanding is there are likely a number of possible permutations for the Marlins on the table from the Cardinals rather than one single offer.
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Re: 2017 Be the GM Thread

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:58 am

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