Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

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Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:13 pm

Miami Marlins outfielder Ichiro Suzuki entered Tuesday night needing just one hit to tie Pete Rose’s all-time record of 4,256. He has 2,977 hits in the major leagues and 1,278 in the Nippon Professional Baseball League in Japan, leaving him with a career total of 4,255.

Fans in Japan are abuzz, about a dozen Japanese reporters are now following the Marlins and counting down to Rose. NHK, Japan’s national public broadcasting network, is broadcasting every game to chronicle one of the greatest achievements in Japanese sports history.

Yet, in this country, it barely is drawing even a whisper.

“I cannot believe it’s not a bigger deal in Major League Baseball,’’ Arizona Diamondbacks assistant hitting coach Mark Grace, who had 2,445 career hits, told USA TODAY Sports. “Shame on us for not making a bigger deal out of it.

“You’re talking about breaking Pete Rose’s record.I couldn’t care less if he got some of those hits in Japan or in Antarctica. You’re getting hits at high professional levels. That’s huge. I’m in awe of the guy.’’

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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby mhardy_03 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:21 pm

It isn't a big deal here because as impressive as it is, the Japanese league is not at the same level as MLB, so they don't count the same.

Same reason we don't consider Sadaharu Oh the all time HR leader.

It is impressive as hell that he is going to get 3000 hits while starting his career at age 27. But he isn't breaking a record.
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby R27 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:35 pm

Yeah, I read that this morning and was like

SAN DIEGO - It is one of the most sacred records in all of sports, with one of the greatest hitters in baseball history on the verge of eclipsing it.

Strangely, we are ignoring it.

Miami Marlins outfielder Ichiro Suzuki entered Tuesday night needing just one hit to tie Pete Rose’s all-time record of 4,256. He has 2,977 hits in the major leagues and 1,278 in the Nippon Professional Baseball League in Japan, leaving him with a career total of 4,255.


Ah, well there you go. Answered your own question, Mr. Writer. I have no need to read further.

I mean, if we're going to start adding stats in other leagues into career numbers, why stop at adding Japan? Why not add MLB spring training, the All Star Game, and postseason stats to career numbers? At least minor leagues in America are using the same equipment as the Majors. I have three words for you why Japanese stats shouldn't be counted towards records, "juiced ball scandal."

They've done this same thing in NASCAR since nobody will ever topple Richard Petty's 200 wins. Instead we get the media talking about Kyle Busch who has won 162 races across the three top NASCAR series. Of which, 125 of those wins have come against lesser talent in the best race cars in lower series. The one season he raced in one of those lower series' in cars that were even remotely similar to the average team in those lower series', he didn't win.

It's an accomplishment for sure that deserves to be noted and celebrated, but no need to contrive a record for him. He's not the "All time hit leader." No more than Hank Aaron is the "All time home run leader" because he's hit 786 professional home runs to Barry Bonds' 782.

Since the guy at the Hall of Fame in that article says, 4,256 hits in any league is hard, we should be using the number 4,683. That's the number of Rose's hits including the minors. If hits are hits, then they count too.
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:42 pm

Pete's Pissed:

“It sounds like in Japan,’’ Rose told USA TODAY Sports, “they’re trying to make me the Hit Queen. I’m not trying to take anything away from Ichiro, he’s had a Hall of Fame career, but the next thing you know, they’ll be counting his high-school hits.
“I don’t think you’re going to find anybody with credibility say that Japanese baseball is equivalent to major-league baseball. There are too many guys that fail here, and then become household names there, like Tuffy Rhodes. How can he not do anything here, and hit (a record-tying) 55 home runs (in 2001) over there?
“It has something to do with the caliber of personnel.’’

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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby Topps » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:02 pm

I honestly can't say that I blame Pete. It doesn't make sense to me that we're crowning Ichiro the all time hits leader (counting his hits in Japan). Not sure how anyone can figure we should count all of Ichiro's hits.

I'm not knocking Ichiro, he's definitely had a heck of a career and 3,000 hits is no small feat. That said, to me, he's got 2,977 hits and not over 4,000 like some are saying. Combining his hits to me is just dumb. Japan's league has zero to do with MLB.
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby R27 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:56 pm

What I looked at this afternoon on this:

Ichiro has played in the Majors from age 27 to 42 and has 2,977 hits and counting. In his age 27 to 42 seasons, Pete Rose had 3,091 hits. So Ichiro needs about 120 more hits to outhit Rose during their seasons of "competition.
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby Tulcard » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:27 am

To me what an athlete accomplishes while playing in the majors should be all that counts if it is an all time MAJOR LEAGUE hits record or any ML record. That's it. Plain & simple.... 8-)
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:42 am

Is there any evidence that Ichiro bet on baseball?
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby EOCF » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:09 am

People should celebrate it for what it is, a huge accomplishment. Ichiro is not the MLB hit king, but that's still an absurd amount of hits. He will get another nice party in a few weeks when he gets #3,000.

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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby R27 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:07 pm

If he gets there, he'll be the 27th guy in MLB history to get to 3,000 hits. That's a big accomplishment of it's own.

We could have four straight seasons of someone joining the 3,000 hits club. A-Rod did it last year, Ichiro this year, Adrian Beltre should do it next year, and Albert Pujols is on track to do it in 2018.
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Re: Ichiro on verge of Passing Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:39 am

Ichiro Suzuki entered uncharted territory on Wednesday. With a 2-for-5 day, the 42-year-old outfielder now has 4,257 career hits -- 1,278 in Japan and 2,979 in Major League Baseball. Pete Rose, MLB's Hit King, finished his career with 4,256 hits in the Majors.
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Re: Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby cardinalfan4life » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:36 pm

Pete Rose...will be the all-time hit king..you need 200 hits for 20 years just to tie Rose
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Re: Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:15 pm

Check your math cf4l.

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Re: Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby cardinalfan4life » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:17 am

Elaborate Chevy: ?

I know you need at least 200 hits for a 20 year MLB career just to tie Pete Rose...to me, Ichiro is a Hall of Fame player, but he is NOT the All-Time Hit King, because he did NOT START HIS CAREER HERE
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Re: Ichiro PASSES Pete Rose as All-Time Hit Leader!

Postby chevyman58 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:32 am

cardinalfan4life wrote:Elaborate Chevy: ? you need 200 hits for 20 years just to tie Rose



200 hits x 20 years = 4,000 Hits.

200 hits x 21 years = 4,200 Hits.

200 hits x 21-1/4 years = 4,250 Hits

Rose had 4,256 hits

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