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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby gocardinals1511 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:08 pm

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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:55 am

mhardy_03 wrote:Portland gets:
SP Joseph Chretien
P Ira Watson
P Robert Gildersleeve

Bayside gets:
Lottery pick #4
Picks 28 and 52

Just FYI, for this deal, I sent him a few offers over the offseason and he sent me back this message on Saturday over on the forums:

Ripken08 wrote:Hey buddy, I'm down with that smaller trade you offered with those 3 pitchers for my 3 draft picks. I wasn't sure if I still had a 2nd rounder coming from you or not from you already trading it before our trade. Anyway, I won't be on again until next Friday but if you want to push it through it's cool with me......Jason/ripken08/Portland Pride

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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:41 pm

EOCF wrote:Trade between New York and Marietta.

Marietta gets:
C Robert Woodard
RF Vern Davis
LF Todd Davis
#24 pick in 2114
New York's first round pick in 2115

New York gets:
P Fernandito Manuel


I didn't intend on moving two first rounders this off-season, but with no obvious holes on my roster, I decided to splurge on a luxury. I'm already salivating at the thought of Manuel's 90 FI rating with McVey's 99 RA at SS and Li's 90 RA at 2B.

Chavez and his 99 AR rating will take over for Woodard behind the plate. Neither Todd nor Vern Davis (no relation) were going to find much playing time in New York, but should be solid producers in the Mauler's lineup as they continue to build.
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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:03 pm

When you need something hard to find and it's the only thing standing between you and the team you want to build, you go get it. Jacksonville and I had kicked the tires on Johnston a couple seasons at the deadline, but he didn't like what I was floating. After trading down last year and getting Franklin and Nelson in the draft, one piece remained: shortstop. So I went back with an offer he couldn't refuse.

I've got my 90+ range shortstop to go with my quartet of 90+ finesse pitchers.

And I learned, if you were ever curious, that two teams that are over the cap can trade if the trade is salary neutral. I was amazingly able to combine two players to make exactly Johnston's salary for the offer. Otherwise that was going to be a big hurdle to clear.

R27 wrote:Las Vegas receives
SS Scott Johnston

Jacksonville receives
Las Vegas' 2114 Second Round Pick
Las Vegas' 2115 First Round Pick
Las Vegas' 2116 First Round Pick
Las Vegas' 2118 First Round Pick
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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby Uwbadger12000 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:24 pm

I like Manuel a lot, but by the team my team is competitive, he will be on the downside of his career, so I needed to trade him to get picks for the future. I can use the picks in order to maybe trade up in future drafts. I love my lineup moving forward, but I desperately need pitching, especially after trading my No. 1.
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Re: RE: Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:30 pm

Uwbadger12000 wrote:I like Manuel a lot, but by the team my team is competitive, he will be on the downside of his career, so I needed to trade him to get picks for the future. I can use the picks in order to maybe trade up in future drafts. I love my lineup moving forward, but I desperately need pitching, especially after trading my No. 1.


You're doing it the right way IMO. When I do a rebuild, I start by focusing on a couple core offensive players and middle infield guys with range. I use the later firsts and seconds that I acquire during the tear down to draft solid, if unspectacular pitching. Occasionally I grab a steal. Once my roster is mostly finalized, im free to invest my draft picks and extra hitters into top level veteran pitching.

My current rotation is probably the best result of that. Bennett is the only pitcher drafted in the top 10 and Carlson is the only other first rounder.

I find that trading for good pitching once my main roster is set is consistently easier than attempting to trade for difference making hitting and especially for middle infield range (see R27's post earlier today).



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Re: RE: Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:52 pm

EOCF wrote:
Uwbadger12000 wrote:I like Manuel a lot, but by the team my team is competitive, he will be on the downside of his career, so I needed to trade him to get picks for the future. I can use the picks in order to maybe trade up in future drafts. I love my lineup moving forward, but I desperately need pitching, especially after trading my No. 1.


You're doing it the right way IMO. When I do a rebuild, I start by focusing on a couple core offensive players and middle infield guys with range. I use the later firsts and seconds that I acquire during the tear down to draft solid, if unspectacular pitching. Occasionally I grab a steal. Once my roster is mostly finalized, im free to invest my draft picks and extra hitters into top level veteran pitching.

I've done it that way in the past. I'm a big fan of the idea that your last lottery pick before expecting to contend should be spent as a down payment on the best young pitcher you can find.

This time around I just drafted best talent available and then fit together as best I could. Then I started hunting players via trade. Like with Foreman and Lee and Franklin. I saw that they would fill needs and found a deal that worked. And once I could see the end zone, I was willing to go all in for that final piece. Historically it's been pitching, but I probably have more of that than I need. Johnston will be one of the top-3 shortstops in the league when I bring him up next year.

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Uwbadger12000 wrote:I find that trading for good pitching once my main roster is set is consistently easier than attempting to trade for difference making hitting and especially for middle infield range (see R27's post earlier today).

It's easier to find, that's for sure. With both Johnston and Edmonds a decade ago, I decided an upgrade at shortstop was the only thing between me and a winning team, so I made their owners an offer they couldn't refuse. :lol: <- imagine sinister laughing, not quite LOL laughing.
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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:00 pm

Best overall talent is usually the way I go as well. I just tend to find that unless you're picking #1/2 overall, it's hard to find an 'elite' pitcher. Each of my top 5 selections were either potentially transcendent bats (Gomez) or borderline elite bats with elite middle-infield range (Li and McVey). I didn't see an unquestionably obvious Cy-Young caliber pitcher at the top of either draft so the decision was easy.

I've learned the last few years that truly elite range at SS/2B/CF can make good pitchers great and great pitchers legendary (looking at you Chris Olsen and Michael Smith).

On the other hand, an awesome hitter is going to hit regardless.

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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:32 pm

EOCF wrote:looking at you Chris Olsen

The craziest thing might be that in Olsen's two perfect seasons (32/32 QS, sub 1.00 ERA), he had a 79 range at short and a 63/65 range at second. He did have a 98 in CF, but I was not as focused in on defense at that point. Imagine how good he could have been if I was. :shock:
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Re: RE: Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:01 pm

R27 wrote:
EOCF wrote:looking at you Chris Olsen

The craziest thing might be that in Olsen's two perfect seasons (32/32 QS, sub 1.00 ERA), he had a 79 range at short and a 63/65 range at second. He did have a 98 in CF, but I was not as focused in on defense at that point. Imagine how good he could have been if I was. :shock:

That's how I feel about Larry Bigby. I had a low 80's SS and a terrible 2B'man. You saw flashes of what he could do while he was in Carolina, but ya gotta wonder what he could do with my current infield.

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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby R27 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:16 pm

Something I just now realized. Chuck Pederson retired at the flip (finally). I'm taking applications for challengers for best hitter to never win an MVP.
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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby EOCF » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:53 pm

May I introduce you to Gordon Dunham who somehow made only 4 all star games in his career.

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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby R27 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:39 am

EOCF wrote:May I introduce you to Gordon Dunham who somehow made only 4 all star games in his career.

Hmm, advanced stats like Dunham more. It's that OBP.

Pederson really gets killed because his "prime" was really only 6 or 7 years. And it was like a switch.
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Postby Uwbadger12000 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:22 am

This is my first season opening win since 2107 :lol:
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Re: League Discussion Thread

Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:17 pm

OK just now ran the draft lottery.

Set 1 - 214 - Saskatchewan Eh-thletics
Set 2 - 401 - Potomac Nationals
Set 3 - 865 - Bloomington Swamp Dragons
Set 4 - 900 - HIALEAH T-BREDS
Set 5 - 196 - Peoria Chiefs
Set 6 - 353 - Palm Beach Cardinals
Set 7 - 167 - Portland Pride (to Bayside)
Set 8 - 917 - Carolina Wesofina
Set 9 - 579 - Hells Soulless Ginger Rebels
Set 10 - 487 - Las Vegas Aces (to Saskatchewan)
Set 11 - 170 - River City Razorbacks
Set 12 - 177 - Marietta Maulers
Set 13 - 436 - Jacksonville Crimsons (to Bayside)
Set 14 - 385 - St Croix Buccanneers (to Bayside)
Set 15 - 907 - Montreal Expos
Pick 16 - Katutura Badbirdz
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