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Season Awards Discussion

Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:32 pm

Thread to chat about season awards.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:11 pm

2095 HOF Class:

Keith Conlin, P, Bloomington Swamp Dragons (311-231, 3.11)
Scott Blaze, P, Bloomington Swamp Dragons (57-92, 3.72)
Brian Chacon, 1B, Jacksonville Crimsons (.309-391-1357)

Conlin was a monster.

Blaze fell just short of 500 saves, which is good for top 30 all time.

Chacon has great rate numbers, nothing huge as far as counting numbers though. And surprising he got in with Jacksonville instead of Montreal. Played more games and had better overall numbers with Montreal.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby craig1234 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:12 pm

With the CY award for Bailey I have won an award in all categories while owning the team
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby gocardinals1511 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:39 pm

craig1234 wrote:With the CY award for Bailey I have won an award in all categories while owning the team


That is funny I was thinking the same thing about Bigham winning the MVP. Pretty solid second round pick for me lol. You rode him hard he deserved it. I wonder what Smith would have done if I would have tried to do the same thing.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby taders » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:14 pm

Gold glove who cares. But why does:
Catcher a: 28.8 % thrown out stealing, 1000 fielding and 7.85 range beat out catcher b: 35%, 1000 and 8.11?????
My guess on award voting: Hellen Keller throwing darts
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby R27 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:16 pm

taders wrote:Gold glove who cares. But why does:
Catcher a: 28.8 % thrown out stealing, 1000 fielding and 7.85 range beat out catcher b: 35%, 1000 and 8.11?????
My guess on award voting: Hellen Keller throwing darts

Colton had 92 actual PO (since pitcher strikeouts count as catcher put outs) and 45 assists.

It's harder to track for Layton because he didn't start every game behind the plate, but based on Saskatchewan's K/G rate, odds are he had about 163 actual PO and 89 assists.

And when you look at it that way, Layton accumulated the better numbers. What I find in general with the gold glove is it really cares more about put out and assist counting numbers rather than range.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby mhardy_03 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:17 pm

R27 wrote:
taders wrote:Gold glove who cares. But why does:
Catcher a: 28.8 % thrown out stealing, 1000 fielding and 7.85 range beat out catcher b: 35%, 1000 and 8.11?????
My guess on award voting: Hellen Keller throwing darts

Colton had 92 actual PO (since pitcher strikeouts count as catcher put outs) and 45 assists.

It's harder to track for Layton because he didn't start every game behind the plate, but based on Saskatchewan's K/G rate, odds are he had about 163 actual PO and 89 assists.

And when you look at it that way, Layton accumulated the better numbers. What I find in general with the gold glove is it really cares more about put out and assist counting numbers rather than range.

Yeah, for catchers, it should really separate out the PO made by strikeouts and others. Because they really have no control over the ones by strikeouts.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby R27 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:46 pm

mhardy_03 wrote:Yeah, for catchers, it should really separate out the PO made by strikeouts and others. Because they really have no control over the ones by strikeouts.

Even if they just had a column for strikeouts caught so you could factor it out on your own that would be nice. Maybe I'll pay a visit to the feature suggestion section. Contrary to my other suggestions, that one would be easy.

I had a game theory I tested early on that a high range catcher would create more strikeouts, but it wasn't as true as I'd hoped it would be.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby josegrapinino » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:00 pm

Did you try a high glove catcher?
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby Dbacksfan72 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:28 am

josegrapinino wrote:Did you try a high glove catcher?

I'd been curious about that when I put Layton in as catcher, as he's got 97 glove. But, I only increased 14 K's over the year. Yes, I traded away Villegas and his 324 K's, but Brough up Harris and Cade who averaged 240 K's a piece, double what my 2nd highest K pitcher was in the previous year. I think the effect of catchers on K's is minimal. Though I have experimented here and there over the years because in my head it should...
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby EOCF » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:23 am

Dbacksfan72 wrote:
josegrapinino wrote:Did you try a high glove catcher?

I'd been curious about that when I put Layton in as catcher, as he's got 97 glove. But, I only increased 14 K's over the year. Yes, I traded away Villegas and his 324 K's, but Brough up Harris and Cade who averaged 240 K's a piece, double what my 2nd highest K pitcher was in the previous year. I think the effect of catchers on K's is minimal. Though I have experimented here and there over the years because in my head it should...


Does a high glove catcher actually have much of an effect? I always assumed that just meant the guy wasn't going to make many errors and would complete the routine plays. If a high GL rating means a catcher will call a better game and frame pitchers better I would rethink my C strategy.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby mhardy_03 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:47 am

EOCF wrote:
Dbacksfan72 wrote:
josegrapinino wrote:Did you try a high glove catcher?

I'd been curious about that when I put Layton in as catcher, as he's got 97 glove. But, I only increased 14 K's over the year. Yes, I traded away Villegas and his 324 K's, but Brough up Harris and Cade who averaged 240 K's a piece, double what my 2nd highest K pitcher was in the previous year. I think the effect of catchers on K's is minimal. Though I have experimented here and there over the years because in my head it should...


Does a high glove catcher actually have much of an effect? I always assumed that just meant the guy wasn't going to make many errors and would complete the routine plays. If a high GL rating means a catcher will call a better game and frame pitchers better I would rethink my C strategy.

From what I have noticed, I don't think high GL makes any difference. But I have never really looked at it too closely. I always assumed higher RA meant more assists and catches in foul ground, higher AR meant slowing the running game better, but GL was basically worthless. To me, catcher GL should mean he is better at framing pitches and helping the pitchers. Wish there was an easy way to study that.
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby EOCF » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:52 am

mhardy_03 wrote:
EOCF wrote:
Dbacksfan72 wrote:I'd been curious about that when I put Layton in as catcher, as he's got 97 glove. But, I only increased 14 K's over the year. Yes, I traded away Villegas and his 324 K's, but Brough up Harris and Cade who averaged 240 K's a piece, double what my 2nd highest K pitcher was in the previous year. I think the effect of catchers on K's is minimal. Though I have experimented here and there over the years because in my head it should...


Does a high glove catcher actually have much of an effect? I always assumed that just meant the guy wasn't going to make many errors and would complete the routine plays. If a high GL rating means a catcher will call a better game and frame pitchers better I would rethink my C strategy.

From what I have noticed, I don't think high GL makes any difference. But I have never really looked at it too closely. I always assumed higher RA meant more assists and catches in foul ground, higher AR meant slowing the running game better, but GL was basically worthless. To me, catcher GL should mean he is better at framing pitches and helping the pitchers. Wish there was an easy way to study that.


Yeah, that would really cool but I can see how it would be really difficult to program it into the game. Glad to know I haven't been looking at my C's defense all wrong the last 6 years. :D
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby mhardy_03 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:04 pm

EOCF wrote:
mhardy_03 wrote:
EOCF wrote:Does a high glove catcher actually have much of an effect? I always assumed that just meant the guy wasn't going to make many errors and would complete the routine plays. If a high GL rating means a catcher will call a better game and frame pitchers better I would rethink my C strategy.

From what I have noticed, I don't think high GL makes any difference. But I have never really looked at it too closely. I always assumed higher RA meant more assists and catches in foul ground, higher AR meant slowing the running game better, but GL was basically worthless. To me, catcher GL should mean he is better at framing pitches and helping the pitchers. Wish there was an easy way to study that.


Yeah, that would really cool but I can see how it would be really difficult to program it into the game. Glad to know I haven't been looking at my C's defense all wrong the last 6 years. :D

I have changed my thought on C defense a couple times in that same 6 years, so maybe we both have been wrong the whole time! :D
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Re: Season Awards Discussion

Postby R27 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:10 pm

There are a plenty of guys who have played this game a lot more than me who just treat the catcher as a second DH, so I'm confident saying that any effect is negligent.
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