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Postby marteezy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:40 pm

chevyman58 wrote:Cute. Completely irrelevant, and sidestepping the very real possibility, but cute.


Based on the history of the Patriot organization and their rules be damned attitude, there is no way I'll believe that he was an innocent bystander.

Robert Kraft knew that they were up against it. If he had any doubt about the allegations why would he agree to the punishment levied upon his franchise.

And as many QBs have already said, the ball boys aren't going to just take it upon themselves to do something with the balls without the consent of the starting QB.

Just like Armstrong, Clemens, Rodriguez and Bonds. He's joined the party of guys that believe that their stuff doesn't stink and they are bigger than the game.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:28 pm

Oh, ok then. Glad you have it all figured out, can't be any other possibilities. Good to know. Thanks.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby marteezy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:23 pm

chevyman58 wrote:Oh, ok then. Glad you have it all figured out, can't be any other possibilities. Good to know. Thanks.


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Postby R27 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:52 pm

marteezy wrote:Based on the history of the Patriot organization and their rules be damned attitude, there is no way I'll believe that he was an innocent bystander.

Once guilty, always guilty. And guilt by association. At least you admit you don't care about objectivity and the truth about what actually happened. Brady's coach cheated once before, so Brady must be guilty and you're just happy to throw the book at them and be done with it. Who cares about figuring out what actually happened, right? They MUST have cheated. It's the only thing all the Patriots players, coaches, and team execs know how to do.

marteezy wrote:And as many QBs have already said, the ball boys aren't going to just take it upon themselves to do something with the balls without the consent of the starting QB. .

The problem with this statement is that the NFL hasn't even proven that something was done to the balls at all. The Wells Report was inconclusive on that point at best. Furthermore, the Wells Report also concluded that the Colts were in violation of ball preparation regulations. I'm still waiting for their penalty.

I listened to a segment of Dan Le Batard's show this evening on my drive home before I switched away. He made an interesting point. About the only black mark Brady has personally on himself is leaving his baby mama while she was pregnant. Other than that he's pretty much kept his nose clean and been the example of the kind of pro athlete everyone wants to have on their team for almost 15 years now. But that buys him nothing in the court of public opinion.
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Postby marteezy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:58 pm

In the post I made before, there are a ton of things that could've and should've been done to prevent the parties involved from getting to this point.

That said, I'm not naïve enough to believe that he's incapable of bending the rules. And if the organization was so certain of his innocence, why did they accept the penalty if the fine and the forfeiture of draft picks. Not just any draft picks, a first round pick!

So excuse me for not believing every word that comes out of Tom Brady's mouth. Especially since he plays for a team that has a reputation as cheaters.
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Postby yawkeyway » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:54 am

If you didn't think it was possible for this to become more of a circus, you were wrong...

This morning, Chris Mortensen from ESPN backed out of an interview with WEEI (Boston's main sports station) after they planned on questioning Mort on his inaccurate tweet that started this whole dumpster fire.

Mort's source said footballs were under-inflated by 2 PSI, when, in reality, either one or none of the balls measured that low (depending on the gauge used). Personally, I don't blame Mort for the original report if he thought his source was good. However, that the NFL never issued a correction (which they had done in the past in similar cases), is extremely suspect. They had the facts, and chose not to set the record straight.

Regarding Mort's source, it was long speculated that his source for the incorrect information was Mike Kensil, which was confirmed today by the same radio station with which Mort canceled his appearance. Kensil was notified by the Colts about their concerns regarding New England footballs before the AFC title game, but he took no precautions to make sure that everything was legit for that game.

Instead, he tried to catch the team in the act, going as far as to confront the Patriots' equipment manager (not either of the Dorito Dinks) about it during the AFC Championship game.

Patriots sources are steadfast—and their belief was conveyed to the league, according to a source—that Mike Kensil, the NFL’s VP of game operations, walked up to Patriots equipment manager Dave Schoenfeld on the sideline after halftime and said, “We weighed the balls. You are in big f------ trouble.” New England and Kraft thought this incident, and others, showed bias by the league and would be explored in the Wells report. But the Patriots’ theories (including another in which they believed the Colts deflated the intercepted ball) were tossed aside, with the report simply calling the sideline interaction a difference in recollection.


Had the NFL acted correctly at the start, the footballs would have been documented, the Patriots would have been caught in the act with definitive proof, and the team/players involved fined the amounts that have been levied in the past. Or maybe the chain of custody would have been stronger, and Bevis/Butthead wouldn't have had time to delate the footballs (if that's what happened), making this all moot, but Kensil tried to railroad them, and it blew up into all of this.

However, if Kensil were to turn over his cell phone, I bet we could get this sorted out pretty quickly.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby chevyman58 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:08 am

Six months after the NFL apparently leaked false information to Chris Mortensen of ESPN regarding the PSI readings for 11 of 12 Patriots footballs used in the AFC title game, the NFL expertly leaked true information to Stephen A. Smith of ESPN regarding the allegation that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady “destroyed his cellphone.”

in the same way someone from the league office used Chris Mortensen to spread the false notion that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 2.0 pounds under the PSI minimum at halftime of the AFC title game, someone from the league office used Stephen A. Smith to introduce to an unsuspecting public the best-kept secret in the NFL from June 18 through July 28: “Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone.”

And so instead of reacting to the press release declaring that “Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone” by saying, “What the hell is this all about?” the prevailing reaction was, “Damn. Stephen A. Smith was right. Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone.”


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Postby R27 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:47 pm

It circulates the Internet that Mike Kensil's name disappeared from an online list of NFL Operations employees. The NFL responds within 24 hours that Kensil still works for the NFL and was never on the page to begin with.

Chris Mortenson reports that 11 of the 12 Patriots were footballs were more than 2 psi under regulation, which was totally false, and the NFL is quiet and doesn't correct the report. That report was really what took this story from a "there may have been something wrong with the footballs" to a "the Patriots cheated" narrative.

There was some talk that Mortenson was going to out his source, but has backtracked on that. Some people praising him for journalistic integrity. Personally, I think calling out sources who give you false information does more for journalistic integrity than protecting the liars. Also might make people think twice about being anonymous sources if they don't know what the heck they're talking about. Also helps other journalists know who they shouldn't trust in the future.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:33 am

Transcript of Brady's appeal testimony

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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby R27 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:42 pm

The Jets being the Jets. Even with a "no fighting" rule in place, linebacker IK Enemkpali "sucker punched" Geno Smith during a locker room argument, reportedly over $600. The punch broke Smith's jaw, so he's out 6-10 weeks and Enemkpali was released by the Jets immediately afterwards too.

Geno Smith's broken jaw leaves the Jets staggering into season

Welcome to the show, Todd Bowles.

Before even making it to his first pre-season game, the Jets' rookie head coach finds his team dealing with an almost unfathomable setback. Bowles announced Tuesday that projected starting quarterback Geno Smith will miss six to 10 weeks with a broken jaw, suffered Tuesday morning when teammate IK Enemkpali punched him during a locker-room altercation.

Make that “former teammate” IK Enemkpali—the Jets released the backup linebacker almost immediately after the incident. “It’s something we don’t tolerate,” Bowles said, via the New York Post's Brian Costello. “It’s something we can’t stand. You don’t walk up to another man and punch him in the face.”

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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby chevyman58 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:19 pm

Now ............. what action will Goodell take & how will he screw it up?

This should be equal punishment to the domestic violence assaults, if not worse as it happened in the workplace. Also recall the bullying case that got what's-his-name tossed for the season(?) I think(?). Recall Adrian Peterson's whuppin' case.

He should be gone for a season & req'd to undergo anger training & etc then have to apply for reinstatement.
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The guy just ended his own career. No one will sign him anymore.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby josegrapinino » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:44 am

Lost 500k for this season alone over an argument worth 600.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby chevyman58 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:43 am

Teammates are faulting Smith. NFL insiders are faulting Smith. Even his Coach has publicly faulted Smith & busted him back to backup over it.

Apparently Smith was bein' a real Richard about it. Doesn't justify gettin' your jaw broke but EVERYONE is faulting Smith.
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Re: NFL News 2015

Postby R27 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:04 pm

The judge got to question both sides today for the first time as the Deflategate story continues. Basically the NFL defended itself with the "the evidence doesn't matter, it's whether we could punish Brady" argument.

Judge Berman asked some pointed questions of the NFL, pressing them to provide direct evidence that Brady was involved, which the NFL admitted there was none. Berman added, that from a legal perspective, you have to be able to show that conspirators intended to be part of the conspiracy.

Brady's attorney seems to be arguing that historically the NFL has handed down fines for failing to cooperate with investigations rather than suspensions. He also adds that the NFL doesn't even claim that players can be penalized for being aware of someone else breaking the rules. Pointed out the leaks that have happened of information in this case, saying that Brady declined to turn over his phone based on privacy concerns.

Both sides will meet with Berman in an attempt to create a settlement later this week.
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